To say that the "lockdowns are not working" is to misunderstand what effect our officials are/were going for. They're getting what they wanted...more cases. What I simply can not grasp is why no one has connected the fact that more mask wearing = more cases. Humans are even stupider than I imagined. Baaaa, baaaa...
My husband's family is in Lima. My brother in law and his wife both work in tourism and hospitality, and this has been utterly devastating to their family--and they are well-off compared to most of the rest of the country. President Vizcarra has been bragging about the pictures of a deserted Machu Picchu, which is normally full of tourists. This is going to set the country back years, if not decades, with the biggest burden being borne by the poorest.
Nice one ... I live in Ecuador. People need to be made aware of just how CLUELESS authority is. Or ARE THEY actually clueless? I just wrote this comprehensive article on what is (very likely) really going on with the CoronaVirus thing worldwide. If it resonates, please share widely.
"Technocracy in the Time of CoronaVirus – 2020 – A Litmus-Test for Human Stupidity. Witness the Craven Obeisance of Bootlickers for Obviously Corrupt & Malignant Authority."
I'm so tired of this. I just say no! Wear a mask, no! You need to protect me by wearing a mask, no i dont. How about you make sure my disabled child gets thier lifesaving therapies and then maybe I'll play along with your mostly make believe panic fantasies. That said I do social distance, especially around the elderly or ill so as to make them feel more comfortable. Bl
Hi, my family and I live in Peru for work that we do. Although I’m currently not working in a lab, I do have a PhD in microbiology, so I understand the basics of immunology and virology.
All the lockdown info is true, but the cause of death isn’t just the virus. It’s the combination of the infection and how the medical community handles it and whether the most susceptible people have access to the right treatment. Yes, in Peru the healthcare is really bad and the economic disparity is huge. What would have happened if Peru dealt with the pandemic like Sweden? When the number of cases surpasses the capacity of the hospitals, which it has here, more people die than if the spread of disease had been slowed. I think that’s true in the US too. I’m not sure but Sweden, I’m guessing, has better care than here.
I think also that in any country, it’s the people with less economic means who are more susceptible to catching Covid and also not able to get appropriate treatment. All the people worried about opening up the economy need to think about how to protect the workers that interact with and contact higher numbers of people, and help them access tests and treatment
What is the baseline of this analysis? There is no comparison of Peru in lockdown versus Peru had there been no lockdown; it can’t be labeled a failure. Can the date rate even be normalized with economic data, health system failures, non-evidence-based medicine? If there is no basis for a genetic background causing a difference the death rate should be generally the same across the world. The question is why is it actually HIGHER in Peru? If masks, lockdowns, social distancing makes no difference the death rate should be about the same. The masks and lockdown don’t cause a higher death rate.
The misinformation here In Peru is really bad. Even “doctors” are telling patients to get the wrong test, wrong interpretations of tests, lack of understanding of what a test actually indicates, prescribing ivermectin prophylactically, until recently some medical personnel were still saying chlorine dioxide cures (I’m curious how many died because of complications due to this poison), doctors saying everyone already has the virus, etc. It’s quite deplorable. It’s not evidence based medicine. That doesn’t even include all the trash being circulated on WhatsApp.
Lastly, a friend of ours got diagnosed with Covid without any test. She’s not the only one obviously. The numbers of cases and deaths are elevated.
I'm an expat living in Peru and the reality is far more complicated. Peru is not a case study for or against 'lock-downs' because the full quarantine never worked here to begin with. If you look at photos and news articles from the quarantine, you'll see that the the majority of people in the most populated areas never actually stayed home. I forget the exact statistic, but something like 40% of Peruvian households do not have refrigeration so this demographic had to go food shopping almost every day. They also live day to day so they had to leave home to work. So, yes, there were police on the road and the restrictions imposed by the government were strict (and in many cases random and ineffective), but if the restrictions weren't followed to begin with (there were tens of thousands in the mercados every day even during the strict quarantine!), then Peru's current numbers don't prove anything about the lock down because the lock down itself was not effective at keeping people home.
I agree on all accounts except for saying the US has a "sophisticated healthcare system". That is factually wrong, but sure it is better than Peru. What goverments are doing atm is criminal and they should be prosecuted. Sweden FTW.
What happened in Lima is that only the people with money self quarantined. The vast majority live on the verge of poverty and need to work to eat, need to go to the crowded markets. There was never ANY way that a lockdown could work here. I am writing this from Lima. 15 years a resident.
To say that the "lockdowns are not working" is to misunderstand what effect our officials are/were going for. They're getting what they wanted...more cases. What I simply can not grasp is why no one has connected the fact that more mask wearing = more cases. Humans are even stupider than I imagined. Baaaa, baaaa...
My husband's family is in Lima. My brother in law and his wife both work in tourism and hospitality, and this has been utterly devastating to their family--and they are well-off compared to most of the rest of the country. President Vizcarra has been bragging about the pictures of a deserted Machu Picchu, which is normally full of tourists. This is going to set the country back years, if not decades, with the biggest burden being borne by the poorest.
why not hand out HCQ+AZM+ZN free to everyone for a week? end the progression from early stage to death.
Nice one ... I live in Ecuador. People need to be made aware of just how CLUELESS authority is. Or ARE THEY actually clueless? I just wrote this comprehensive article on what is (very likely) really going on with the CoronaVirus thing worldwide. If it resonates, please share widely.
https://pleasespikemydrink.com/2020/09/29/technocracy-in-the-time-of-coronavirus/
"Technocracy in the Time of CoronaVirus – 2020 – A Litmus-Test for Human Stupidity. Witness the Craven Obeisance of Bootlickers for Obviously Corrupt & Malignant Authority."
I'm so tired of this. I just say no! Wear a mask, no! You need to protect me by wearing a mask, no i dont. How about you make sure my disabled child gets thier lifesaving therapies and then maybe I'll play along with your mostly make believe panic fantasies. That said I do social distance, especially around the elderly or ill so as to make them feel more comfortable. Bl
Hi, my family and I live in Peru for work that we do. Although I’m currently not working in a lab, I do have a PhD in microbiology, so I understand the basics of immunology and virology.
All the lockdown info is true, but the cause of death isn’t just the virus. It’s the combination of the infection and how the medical community handles it and whether the most susceptible people have access to the right treatment. Yes, in Peru the healthcare is really bad and the economic disparity is huge. What would have happened if Peru dealt with the pandemic like Sweden? When the number of cases surpasses the capacity of the hospitals, which it has here, more people die than if the spread of disease had been slowed. I think that’s true in the US too. I’m not sure but Sweden, I’m guessing, has better care than here.
I think also that in any country, it’s the people with less economic means who are more susceptible to catching Covid and also not able to get appropriate treatment. All the people worried about opening up the economy need to think about how to protect the workers that interact with and contact higher numbers of people, and help them access tests and treatment
What is the baseline of this analysis? There is no comparison of Peru in lockdown versus Peru had there been no lockdown; it can’t be labeled a failure. Can the date rate even be normalized with economic data, health system failures, non-evidence-based medicine? If there is no basis for a genetic background causing a difference the death rate should be generally the same across the world. The question is why is it actually HIGHER in Peru? If masks, lockdowns, social distancing makes no difference the death rate should be about the same. The masks and lockdown don’t cause a higher death rate.
The misinformation here In Peru is really bad. Even “doctors” are telling patients to get the wrong test, wrong interpretations of tests, lack of understanding of what a test actually indicates, prescribing ivermectin prophylactically, until recently some medical personnel were still saying chlorine dioxide cures (I’m curious how many died because of complications due to this poison), doctors saying everyone already has the virus, etc. It’s quite deplorable. It’s not evidence based medicine. That doesn’t even include all the trash being circulated on WhatsApp.
Lastly, a friend of ours got diagnosed with Covid without any test. She’s not the only one obviously. The numbers of cases and deaths are elevated.
I'm an expat living in Peru and the reality is far more complicated. Peru is not a case study for or against 'lock-downs' because the full quarantine never worked here to begin with. If you look at photos and news articles from the quarantine, you'll see that the the majority of people in the most populated areas never actually stayed home. I forget the exact statistic, but something like 40% of Peruvian households do not have refrigeration so this demographic had to go food shopping almost every day. They also live day to day so they had to leave home to work. So, yes, there were police on the road and the restrictions imposed by the government were strict (and in many cases random and ineffective), but if the restrictions weren't followed to begin with (there were tens of thousands in the mercados every day even during the strict quarantine!), then Peru's current numbers don't prove anything about the lock down because the lock down itself was not effective at keeping people home.
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I agree on all accounts except for saying the US has a "sophisticated healthcare system". That is factually wrong, but sure it is better than Peru. What goverments are doing atm is criminal and they should be prosecuted. Sweden FTW.
What happened in Lima is that only the people with money self quarantined. The vast majority live on the verge of poverty and need to work to eat, need to go to the crowded markets. There was never ANY way that a lockdown could work here. I am writing this from Lima. 15 years a resident.